Comments on: Silverlight and the DLR http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/ Open Source, Modern Programming Languages, OS X, Photography, and ... Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:55:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: tecosystems » Fight the Future http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-15571 tecosystems » Fight the Future Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:31:22 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-15571 [...] Silverlight is but the latest in a string of attempts to “fork the web,” as my colleague has put it in the past when discussing Adobe’s ambitions with the Flash runtime. Nor is this the first time the potential - and potential threat - of Silverlight has been discussed: Jeremy was right when he said that “Microsoft is thinking much bigger than people seem to be giving them credit for.” For more discussion on the threat of proprietary web runtimes, see here, here, here, here, here, or here. [...] [...] Silverlight is but the latest in a string of attempts to “fork the web,” as my colleague has put it in the past when discussing Adobe’s ambitions with the Flash runtime. Nor is this the first time the potential - and potential threat - of Silverlight has been discussed: Jeremy was right when he said that “Microsoft is thinking much bigger than people seem to be giving them credit for.” For more discussion on the threat of proprietary web runtimes, see here, here, here, here, here, or here. [...]

]]> By: Brendan Eich http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-6306 Brendan Eich Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:13:32 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-6306 See my latest blog entry. PyXPCOM integrates CPython which has no stable ABI or distribution on Windows. It's good if you can provision the C runtime and you need the extensive library code. But with IronMonkey, we're going for memory-safe VM-hosted language support on top of Tamarin. /be See my latest blog entry. PyXPCOM integrates CPython which has no stable ABI or distribution on Windows. It’s good if you can provision the C runtime and you need the extensive library code. But with IronMonkey, we’re going for memory-safe VM-hosted language support on top of Tamarin.

/be

]]> By: Seattle Washington Online Resource Information Center » Blog Archive » Longtime umpire Froemming set to retire http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-6278 Seattle Washington Online Resource Information Center » Blog Archive » Longtime umpire Froemming set to retire Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:07:19 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-6278 [...] Silverlight and the DLR Microsoft has announced that it is embedding a version of the CLR into their Silverlight RIA technology. Blogging machine Ryan Stewart had some of the initial details, and Sam Gentile has a good pile of links. The CLR enabled version of Silverlight will run inside Firefox (both on Windows and OS X) […] [...] [...] Silverlight and the DLR Microsoft has announced that it is embedding a version of the CLR into their Silverlight RIA technology. Blogging machine Ryan Stewart had some of the initial details, and Sam Gentile has a good pile of links. The CLR enabled version of Silverlight will run inside Firefox (both on Windows and OS X) […] [...]

]]> By: Vlad http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-6237 Vlad Thu, 24 May 2007 00:27:10 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-6237 Not only will the DLR and Silverlight run on top on mono by the end of the year, but I am sure we can count on MonoDevelop to fill the development gap on Linux and Mac! Not only will the DLR and Silverlight run on top on mono by the end of the year, but I am sure we can count on MonoDevelop to fill the development gap on Linux and Mac!

]]> By: tecosystems » How Too Rich For My Taste: The RIA Q&A http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-6223 tecosystems » How Too Rich For My Taste: The RIA Q&A Wed, 23 May 2007 19:16:28 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-6223 [...] Ted Leung: “In the end, though, I probably won’t be doing much with Silverlight, for the same reasons that I’ve written about before. The technology has definitely gotten stronger, but the other issues haven’t really changed much: there are no tools for the Mac or Linux, and as far as influencing the technology, you’re just standing outside the Big House, pressing your nose up against the window.” [...] [...] Ted Leung: “In the end, though, I probably won’t be doing much with Silverlight, for the same reasons that I’ve written about before. The technology has definitely gotten stronger, but the other issues haven’t really changed much: there are no tools for the Mac or Linux, and as far as influencing the technology, you’re just standing outside the Big House, pressing your nose up against the window.” [...]

]]> By: Sjan Evardsson http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4456 Sjan Evardsson Thu, 03 May 2007 23:28:35 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4456 Thought this might interest you: Miguel de Icaza (of Novell and Mono) says Silverlight will be available for Linux by the end of the year. <a href="http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9714669-7.html" title="Silverlight on Linux? We're in, says Mono founder" rel="nofollow">Silverlight on Linux? We're in, says Mono founder</a> Thought this might interest you: Miguel de Icaza (of Novell and Mono) says Silverlight will be available for Linux by the end of the year.

Silverlight on Linux? We’re in, says Mono founder

]]> By: tecosystems » links for 2007-05-03 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4404 tecosystems » links for 2007-05-03 Thu, 03 May 2007 05:26:27 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4404 [...] Ted Leung on the Air » Blog Archive » Silverlight and the DLR until Apollo, Silverlight, et al offer true cross-platform support - meaning Linux too - i’m going to remain skeptical about their opportunity re: ubiquity - oh, and some great analysis from Ted (tags: Apollo Silverlight Microsoft dlr Firefox RIA) [...] [...] Ted Leung on the Air » Blog Archive » Silverlight and the DLR until Apollo, Silverlight, et al offer true cross-platform support - meaning Linux too - i’m going to remain skeptical about their opportunity re: ubiquity - oh, and some great analysis from Ted (tags: Apollo Silverlight Microsoft dlr Firefox RIA) [...]

]]> By: rick http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4375 rick Wed, 02 May 2007 21:44:59 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4375 Maybe I'm just being simplistic, but it seems that they just want things to happen on their platform, and its a nice one at that. Remember when they realized that the Web browser was becoming the new platform? Well, now its possible to deliver "rich" apps using either JS/XHR and/or Flash (and soon Apollo). They understand that keeping their platform under things will allow them to make money off it one way or another. Keeps their dev's from migrating away to non-MS technology too. Adobe understands this as well I think, hence the "shared source" approach. Maybe I’m just being simplistic, but it seems that they just want things to happen on their platform, and its a nice one at that. Remember when they realized that the Web browser was becoming the new platform? Well, now its possible to deliver “rich” apps using either JS/XHR and/or Flash (and soon Apollo). They understand that keeping their platform under things will allow them to make money off it one way or another. Keeps their dev’s from migrating away to non-MS technology too. Adobe understands this as well I think, hence the “shared source” approach.

]]> By: warpedvisions.org » Blog Archive » What is Silverlight? http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4370 warpedvisions.org » Blog Archive » What is Silverlight? Wed, 02 May 2007 19:05:43 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4370 [...] May 2nd, 2007 in Links A good non-hype overview of Silverlight and the DLR. [...] [...] May 2nd, 2007 in Links A good non-hype overview of Silverlight and the DLR. [...]

]]> By: Dan Sickles http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4365 Dan Sickles Wed, 02 May 2007 16:07:22 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4365 My understanding is that pyxpcom is chrome:// only. I haven't seen it as a standard browser language on the roadmap. Is there a plan to sandbox other languages? Oh how I wish there was...Brendan? My understanding is that pyxpcom is chrome:// only. I haven’t seen it as a standard browser language on the roadmap. Is there a plan to sandbox other languages? Oh how I wish there was…Brendan?

]]> By: Dries Buytaert http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4359 Dries Buytaert Wed, 02 May 2007 13:31:06 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4359 Ted: yes, and Linux might be ideal for that. :) Ted: yes, and Linux might be ideal for that. :)

]]> By: Paul Boddie http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4351 Paul Boddie Wed, 02 May 2007 08:54:19 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4351 Could the DLR be considered as some kind of Parrot for .NET? As for the Ruby community, this thread is an amusing complement to observations about dealing with multiple runtimes: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_frm/thread/0d8580112ca8a73d I wonder if Sun can be bothered to respond with some kind of Java platform initiative of a similar nature. Could the DLR be considered as some kind of Parrot for .NET? As for the Ruby community, this thread is an amusing complement to observations about dealing with multiple runtimes:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_frm/thread/0d8580112ca8a73d

I wonder if Sun can be bothered to respond with some kind of Java platform initiative of a similar nature.

]]> By: Ted Leung http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4337 Ted Leung Wed, 02 May 2007 07:29:54 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4337 Dries, Actually, I think that line of thinking leads to something like an appliance that basically runs a browser as an the only applicatiion. Brendan, One can only hope... James, PyXPCOM is being funded by Mozilla, last I understood. Brendan can probably fill in the blanks. Dries,
Actually, I think that line of thinking leads to something like an appliance that basically runs a browser as an the only applicatiion.

Brendan,
One can only hope…

James,
PyXPCOM is being funded by Mozilla, last I understood. Brendan can probably fill in the blanks.

]]> By: James http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4331 James Wed, 02 May 2007 04:38:58 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4331 PyXPCOM already exists, and this might encourage Mozilla to enable it by default in Firefox. It probably needs some more work to make it truly equivalent to JavaScript for writing webapps. PyXPCOM already exists, and this might encourage Mozilla to enable it by default in Firefox. It probably needs some more work to make it truly equivalent to JavaScript for writing webapps.

]]> By: Brendan Eich http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4330 Brendan Eich Wed, 02 May 2007 03:43:38 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4330 Hi Ted, I would be very surprised if IE's JScript engine were replaced or somehow accelerated by a faster one in Silverlight, if that plugin were present. MS seems not to want to improve JS in the browser from what I can tell, under cover of fear of making incompatible changes. They should feel free to shock me with good news, and of course they may feel competitive heat to improve JScript in IE, at some point. It's good to see more open source, even though as we both have blogged recently, licensing and publishing are just first steps that do not determinte good governance. I wonder whether patches retargeting IronPython and IronRuby to Tamarin would be welcomed? ;-) /be Hi Ted,

I would be very surprised if IE’s JScript engine were replaced or somehow accelerated by a faster one in Silverlight, if that plugin were present. MS seems not to want to improve JS in the browser from what I can tell, under cover of fear of making incompatible changes. They should feel free to shock me with good news, and of course they may feel competitive heat to improve JScript in IE, at some point.

It’s good to see more open source, even though as we both have blogged recently, licensing and publishing are just first steps that do not determinte good governance. I wonder whether patches retargeting IronPython and IronRuby to Tamarin would be welcomed? ;-)

/be

]]> By: TubeWire » Silverlight II http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4313 TubeWire » Silverlight II Tue, 01 May 2007 20:23:21 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4313 [...] Silverlight does not support Linux nor does it feature Mac development tools.  Here’s some more skepticism which asks the pretty pertinent question: aside from HD video, where are the applications? [...] [...] Silverlight does not support Linux nor does it feature Mac development tools.  Here’s some more skepticism which asks the pretty pertinent question: aside from HD video, where are the applications? [...]

]]> By: Dries Buytaert http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4312 Dries Buytaert Tue, 01 May 2007 19:29:19 +0000 http://www.sauria.com/blog/2007/05/01/silverlight-and-the-dlr/#comment-4312 In reply to your 'so what?' statement -- how about this bold prediction: http://buytaert.net/linux-on-the-desktop ? It's far from the current reality, but this might be an important baby step that sets a number of things in motion. Or not. :) In reply to your ’so what?’ statement — how about this bold prediction: http://buytaert.net/linux-on-the-desktop ? It’s far from the current reality, but this might be an important baby step that sets a number of things in motion. Or not. :)

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